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reante's avatar

What I'm doing is not projecting but characterizing your ideological loyalties. Ideological loyalties are, more often than not, not conscious. So if they're not in your mind then that's not necessarily surprising.

If Meryl is in bed with Bobby then she's a shill for the Illuminati, and presumably subconsciously so, just like Bobby. Moths to the flame of Power: that's all that's required for the Illuminati to herd you into the fluorescent Light of Power if and when the agricultural circumstances call for it.

Your ideas don't all agree with each other because you're ideas don't have a center of gravity. You don't have a unifying theory, just at postmodern fragmentation. Yet you lay claim to these fragments. But there is no building there. Nobody builds with fragments; even the Watts Towers relied on a concrete matrix.

Our job in life is to build. Sustainably.

I do not open my mouth unless I can figure out a way to synthesize new events into my unified theory. If I can't do that then I keep quiet or I modifying the unified theory as necessary. If, ultimately, I can neither synthesize nor modify, then I start all over again from scratch because the theory has become unsustainable. That's all of a Reason -based human life in a nutshell, yet that is not what you nor 99.9pc of the talking heads here are participating in.

That's politics for you. Fumbling and bumbling. You and Ilargi are two peas in a pod now, ideologically. Nevermind the true, independent greatness of the most meritorious men and women like El Gallinazo and Nicole Foss and I.M. Nobody who left The Automatic Earth because of him.

If we're standing still and juggling ideological fragments, like THEY want us to do, then we're not building for ourselves, and so we're falling behind, because their consent factory is ALWAYS building a dynamic narrative with occasional twists and turns such as this one.

If we can't figure out how to build a unified theory, then that is totally okay. That's rarified air. So rarified that most consider it hubristic to even attempt to, nevermind the logical fallacy inherent to that consideration, to say nothing of the psycho-emotional roots of it. If we can't theorize with consistency then we must refuse the hobgoblins of the mind their political desires for a foolish inconsistency.

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John Day MD's avatar

It's not all physical and intellectual and ideological with me. I pay attention to all of that. Spiritual is most important, and to follow spiritual guidance is most often to be compassionate and understanding, but unyielding where principle is involved, particularly principles of avoiding harm to others.

That is obviously complex. Sometimes it means taking blows, and other times it means defending others, and usually as early as possible, which seems to reduce total harm. Waiting to do what is morally right usually makes things worse.

Abstract models and ideology are not enough to deal with the complexities of life, though they can be helpful in the right applications, like knowledge and intellect.

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reante's avatar

You're just deflecting rather than engage deeply with the ideas.

Buddhism is a religion and not a spirituality. ‘Your’ Buddhism is a State-imposed manufactured consent, and not your own organic spirituality. All true, organic spirituality comes from a person’s daily working relationship with his or her ecology. All legitimate spirituality is ecologically based just like the only legitimate economic theories are those of ecological economics. All truth springs from natural law.

You give tacit legitimacy to a manufactured ‘reformation’ while Trump talks of turning Gaza into a Blackrock-style beach resort, when just a few weeks ago you were up in arms about Newsom’s supposed Blackrock transformation of LA. And sometime this week you'll presumably be donning a Palestine riding jersey.

Spirituality is the opposite of multiple personality disorder. Spirituality is the absence of personality.

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John Day MD's avatar

Spirituality is a human condition, which explores paths to Gnosis of Truth.

Looking at outward trappings of formal religion is different from practicing privately and in small groups.

Spirituality goes beyond ego, but does not seem to be devoid of personality. Opinions may differ.

I do wear the Palestine Jersey whenever I ride now for over a year. It is a practice of openly normalizing the wearing of Palestinian colors for those who see me on my laps or errands.

I do not try to make people fit one mold. Andrew Jackson was that way, right?

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reante's avatar

Yet your gnosis of truth two days ago was to rhetorically ask me who THEY are as if there is no THEY, and then today you include "Black Nobility" in your title while demoting that entity to having less structural power than DJT, Elon Musk, Tulsi Gabbard, and Bobby Kennedy. Which isn't gnosis of truth at all. Rather, it's the Illuminati disappearing act I predicted. You lay claim to absurdities that you won't defend because you can't defend them, then when I call you on it you act like only opinions exist in the world. That's the opposite of spiritual behavior. What it is is the outward trappings of religious behavior. Pick a religion, any religion.

The only mold I'm trying to hold you to is the one that Reason affords us. Accurate patterning. That's not about me and it's not about you.

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John Day MD's avatar

I excerpted an article, which I wrote at the outset. It seemed to apply. It is a big question "who" the owners, who do not want to be known, are, isn't it.

In that article I excerpted, they are called "black nobility". Frances Leader, who writes about them, is mentioned in that article I excerpted, and got wind of this somehow, and is commenting in this thread.

I am not trying to have "religious behavior".

I do not personally know who the illuminati are. Do you? They like their privacy.

There are some things that are fairly predictable, but not human behavior in many cases. The arc of resource depletion and pollution accumulation, depicted in The Limits To Growth in 1972 is tracking pretty well. I never would have expected peak-oil-plus-condensates to look like COVID lockdowns, because I was not in on that planning...

Gnosis of truth is personal at the spiritual level, no? Gnosis of truths about 9/11 is different, but also important for people who want to understand how our world works.

I'm not a guru, but another seeker.

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reante's avatar

As I've said a million times, in hindsight the plandemic was a twofold act of simple genius: destroy a shitload of oil demand to buy about 5 more years and create a critical mass of reactionaries in order to dismantle neoliberalism after that 5 years so that the more resilient, degrowthy national socialisms could be collapsed into such that it will buy more time in order to, presumably, decommission this ticking time bomb nuclear civilization because the illuminati are obviously highly rational actors and they they put their pants on one leg at a time.

No I don't personally know the illuminati but it's a logical fallacy to keep harping on that, John. I've also never been to China but I know it exists. I'm sure we can both agree that the Rothschilds are in all likelihood among them along with many of the non~public shareholders of the central banks and the primary dealers, for starters.

Frances, btw, is a little bitch who blocked me and deleted my comments a couple years ago because she didn't like how peak oil truth conflicted with her political crusade. She's a lightweight and far from an honest person. Actually she's kind of a POS, her and her little sidekick whose name I forget now.

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Barbara Charis's avatar

I am totally into the Creator who made all life...and many of those who follow the Koran have not progressed from the teachings, which started 300 years after Mohammad's death back 1400 years ago. . He was illiterate and Mohammad attacked Mecca...wanted to wipe it out! He was not a man of virtue...he had none. The wealthy people who started Islam...promoted the Koran, which they composed. Its always the same thing in every religion...some wealthy people at the top wanting the support of all the little people at the bottom. There are at least 9 chapters in the Koran, which start out...Kill Infidels...all who do not believe in Islam. Is this an uplifting religion or is it.a death cult? There were intelligent leaders in the United states who read the Koran...and tried to stop Islam from being established here in the U.S. There are a number of limited thinkers who are into this cult in our Congress. They need to be outed. In islam, they can not honestly take an oath to any, except ALLAH. They can not take any other oath, but the Koran says that they may lie, if they have to take an oath...in order to support Islam. I have a feeling in the pit of my stomach about the Palestinians...are they in the ream of vipers...mindless snakes, which strike without warning???.

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John Day MD's avatar

The 3 Abrahamic religions have all excelled at war in the name of "God".

That is inconsistent with "God is Love", so not the same "God the Loving Father", taught by Jesus.

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reante's avatar

Jesus is just a good cop act everybody knows that

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John Day MD's avatar

I disagree. Jesus of Nazareth was a true and compassionate teacher. Have you tried to study what he said, as recalled by his disciples?

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reante's avatar

Yes I've read the gospels. Jesus just incorporated a higher percentage of truth in service of falsehood than most charismatic false idols. He famously said I am the truth and the way which is as foolish and crooked a statement as anyone has ever made and I challenge you to put a positive spiritual spin on that. You can can spin it religiously but you can't spin it spiritually.

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John Day MD's avatar

"I am the way, the truth and the life. No man cometh to the Father except through me." is the quote.

I have wondered about that one, too. It did not appear in the earliest collections of his sayings, but that does not prove he did not say it. Context is important, and often lost. A lot of the Jesus story got added later in Alexandria, at the library, like the virgin-birth stuff and the descent from king David.

Here is some very early recollection, from which "The Bible" was partly composed in Alexandria, the "Gospel of Q" or "quelle", "source". https://www.gospels.net/quelle

I tried to dig for the clearer and true teachings of Jesus in the 1990s, but he did not have a scribe. People recalled his teachings much later, and other things were clearly added to improve the story.

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reante's avatar

I appreciate that response friend but if Jesus was truly wise the Dunbar's Number would have been integral to his teachings when in fact his beliefs directly contradicted the finding. Whatever righteousness he had in his heart was used against him because he had no structural understanding of natural law. Today his legacy puts billions of gentile Christians under the psychological thumb of Judeo~Christian culture.

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Barbara Charis's avatar

The teachings, which came from 2000 years ago were pure...However, the Middle man... church got in the way...so it could make money...end result....the Vatican. . Ministers never dwell on Matt 6;5...Don't stand praying in synagogues (Greek word for gathering places) ..go into your closet (room) shut the door and the Father which seeth in secret shall reward you openly.. People were supposed to establish a close direct relationship with Our Father, which art a haven...hallowed be they name. Few really read the Bible...There is truth there, which somehow did not get redacted by the Roman Emperor Constantine and his scribes. We were supposed to pray directly for guidance.. I have done this since I was a child...and I know the Creator hears my thoughts. When I think of something...I get answers.

I read the Old Testament in the King James Bible. Much of it, was absolutely of no value....Many of the people involved offered nothing in the way of spiritual truths. The first Bible was printed 600 years ago by people who were not spiritual. . It was printed in Latin...with the blessing of the Roman Catholic Church.. At the time it was being printed in the 1450s masses of people in Spain were being slaughtered by the Catholic Church in the name of IESUS CHRIStos....and the Roman Papacy didn't try to stop it. .These are the people who provided the Bible...and wonder why there has been no PEACE in the world. The teachings were perverted. It was alright for the church to kill in the name of IESUS CHRISTOS. It was not his real name...All the Hebrew names were altered in the 300s, when Constantine got his hands on the scrolls about the Master who lived 300 years earlier.

PEACE ON EARTH. AND GOOD WILL TO ALL..WILL OCCUR, WHEN PEOPLE START ASKING OUR FATHER FOR GUIDANCE....NOT THROWING MONEY INTO A COLLECTION PLATE. THE MASTER NEVER ASKED FOR.MONEY...

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John Day MD's avatar

You might like Cyd Ropp's explorations and elucidations of the Gnostic teachings of St. Valentine, which compose the Tripartite Tractate, a source discovered in a big pot in Nag Hamadi, Egypt after WW-2. https://cydropp.substack.com/

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Barbara Charis's avatar

Time is precious...I don't even have time to get to my substack...I am reading so many other substacks...and leaving comments. I am on my laptop about 8 hours daily.

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John Day MD's avatar

I do see your comments around.

;-)

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Frances Leader's avatar

I appreciate being mentioned, thank you!

Further information about who the Black Nobility are, including their future plans can be found here: https://francesleader.substack.com/p/black-nobility-101

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John Day MD's avatar

Thank You for your investigative work, Francis.

Are you familiar with Alex Krainer, who is very insightful? https://substack.com/note/p-148160997/restacks

Will Zoll's PrussiaGate has a complimentary perspective, perhaps. https://prussiagate.substack.com/

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Frances Leader's avatar

I am aware of both those accounts but do not find myself in much agreement with either of them.

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John Day MD's avatar

Alex does not say "who", but he tries to be helpful with "what".

Will has not written much for quite awhile now.

I do not "know", but I try to monitor events, and I would like to know more.

I seek to be of benefit to humanity in what I see as a potential transition from an apex-predator ecosystem management of human societies, by sociopathic elite apex-predators, to an egalitarian stewardship. It may not come in my life, but that is where I would like to help us go.

It seems that it would have to be spiritual, not bureaucratic.

If you have ideas, I'd like to know.

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Frances Leader's avatar

I agree that a spiritual transition is necessary but we are a very long way from achieving that. There are far too many divisions and bad motives around. If energy is as eternal as we are told then undoubtedly it will arrive at its destination eventually. Hard though it is to imagine, we do have to forgive and embrace the enemies on our way to the singularity and I don't mean a technocratic synthetic kind. At the moment I am very concerned that many people are putting their faith into Trump and Musk. The disappointment is going to be devastating when they realise that they have been expertly deceived.

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John Day MD's avatar

My spiritual work is up to me, so I can do it and see where we go.

Trump and Musk are delving into a lot of stuff that needs to change, the vast graft and corruption. Rooting out the corruption of their adversaries is a good thing to do, but going into a digital technocracy with currency-controls and so on is a bad place to go.

Doing the necessary opens a range of threats and opportunities. It's the nature of life. "Great" historic figures have had good and bad characteristics.

John and Robert Kennedy cheated on their wives A LOT.

Andrew Jackson did something like 30 duels, and trail-of-tears genocide.

Catherine Austin Fitts is worried about Trump/Musk https://solarireport.substack.com/p/trump-administration-digital-control

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Frances Leader's avatar

I agree with Catherine Austin Fitts. Especially when she named the Doge 'President Musk'. I think there is a lot of accuracy in that remark.

As soon as the word Doge began to be used I recognised that the Venetian Republic has finally achieved its full totalitarian vision. I wrote about it a year ago!

https://francesleader.substack.com/p/doge-coin-has-some-interesting-history

That is a huge black pill to swallow!

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reante's avatar

As if Trump and Musk aren't the embodiment of graft and corruption, as afforded to them by their 'adversaries.' Jesus.

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reante's avatar

You're funny, John. For at least two years I've been telling you ad nauseum that the consent factory was ginning up a manufactured ballot box revolution and I told you who all of the main characters were, and I told you that it was all in service of the Ashkenazi-dominated Global Elites' (the Illuminati, whatever you want to call it) disappearing act, and now that it's happened, you suddenly don't even believe that THEY(they who enslave your mind) exist and, perhaps, ever existed.

There is no bigger sucker than you, John, because your hundred "we'll sees" turned into "I have no idea what you're talking about, my very important and popular friend Meryl Nass thinks something really wonderful is going on here."

LOL.

There is no Reformation, John. There's only Collapse. Collapse cannot structurally do Reformation for fuck sake, it can only do catabolism.

This is catabolism not reformation. The reformation is just the good cop act for conservatives. A peak oiler falling for this trash is the height of denialism.

Fear. John. It always comes down to fear.

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John Day MD's avatar

I present a lot of what I find on a regular basis. It does not all agree with each other, does it? It is food for thought. Some plays out and other opinions don't play out.

I try to have a free mind.

"Collapse" can take over a century, and every day a person has to do something, right?

Meryl Nass MD has a longstanding and deeply engaged relationship with Bobby Jr. and CHD. That informs her views, as it would yours or mine.

You appear to project thoughts onto my mind, which my mind doesn't have.

Communicating with words may lead to that sometimes.

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