Apprehensive, Samo Burja, Why Civilizations Collapse Why do civilizations collapse? This question bears not only on safeguarding our society’s future but also makes sense of our present... ..
There have been books, and books, and books, written about the decline and fall of civilisations and empires; variously it;s been claimed to be due to politics, or over-stretch, or resources shortages, or economics, or even, a few have claimed, the decline in 'sexual morality'...
None appear to consider the changes to the child-mother relationship infants enter into at birth a
relationship which is the foundational relationship for all societal relations, especially those of institutions...
Recently i was waiting for a bus on a busy inner-suburban street, when noticed the approach of young woman pushing a stroller . Sat laidback but upright in the stroller was a boy, probable two years old...The boy's head was tilted slightly to the left and his eyes looked indifferently downward at nothing...He lie like a limp, rag doll.. Not once during the 7-8 minutes wait for my bus did the boys eyes come into focus - he just 'wasnt there'; He showed absolutely no interest in his surroundings, not cars whizzing by, not pedestrians passing, or anyone waiting for a bus. No interest in anything...
When suddenly a bus screeched to a halt the little boy limply stretched his right arm and lamely pointing toward the bus, quietly uttered "Mum. Bus." As he did so he cocked his right ear ever so slightly, anticipating the mother's acknowledging response...There was none...You could feel the boy shrinking back into himself...During the 7-8 minutes the mother had not once interacted with the boy in any way...His view of his mother was blocked by the strollers canopy, and during the entire time her attentions were taken by the little black device she kept held to an ear...There was no eye contact, nor physical contact between mother and child of the sort necessary for the young's emotional development - as David Boadella describes in:
The mother-child relationship has been under considerable pressures post-world war two, and has changed...It is the primary relationship of every society, empire, and civilisation yet few seem to be interested in how they contribute to the decline and fall of civilisations...
Totally agree! But would situate the change from the 70s forward when women joined the work force and latchkey children and eventually under-3 all day nurseries proliferated. Those of us in our late 50s to 70s generally grew up in large pre-pill baby boom families with stay-at-home mothers where 4 was considered a normal number of children and 6 children unremarkable. Back then only children were pitied...
I emphasise the size of the families because whatever the quality of mothercare, this was more than made up for by interaction with siblings.
One of the things non-Americans absolutely cannot tolerate about America is the way that it thinks it can do whatever it wants, up to and including genocide, but is absolutely free of appropriate punishment and restitution for its previous acts of inhumanity against non-Americans.
American Society is indeed in complete collapse right now, but there is no way it should be allowed to rebuild in any way without punishment for 80 plus years of global murder, genocide and crimes against humanity.
A minimum of $500trn in 'war reparations' should be sufficient and it must include 100% asset confiscation from the richest, oldest bloodlines who have always been behind the plans to loot the world via the murdering of innocent foreigners. It will also unfortunately wipe out the prime organisers of the Covid19 scam, which will wipe out the Gates family dynasty in its entirety.
But the "bloodlines" and "owners" are not "American society", are they? "The City of London" is a center of power, but that cancer has metastasized.
The form of creation of "money" is the core of the power wielded by the "owners" and their dark machines. AFTER that is changed, they will be weakened and less able to bribe and to pay assassins and armies.
The English, Welsh and Scottish peoples are going through austerity now, having been bled by the imperial City of London, as a source of power, and now just a source of residual human blood.
Maybe if that serial lying psychopath Netanyahu demands no more October 7ths, he should not be complicit in such attacks by standing down for seven hours while the world's most surveilled border was "somehow" massively breached and the rampage continued for seven hours without repsonse, "coincidentally" the perfect pretext for his genocidal final solution.
You have an error. The main reason for the collapse is not the loss of knowledge, but the selection of personnel with more primitive abilities. Due to the fact that high-ranking authorities do not want to have competitive subordination, or the recruitment was carried out with corruption. That is, the collapse is conscious. Even if there is a flood after me, I will make maximum profit from my place in the system.
You double posted. I replied to the other. You deleted it with my reply.
This is not an error. Replacing competent, knowledgeable people, who exercise human agency, with incompetent people, who strictly follow orders, is a particular form of "loss of knowledge", which is well expounded in the complete essay, though I did not edit it out, either.
This "corruption" assures that the system will be loyal to the owners, and also assures that it will decay as the competent people age-out and leave, if not already replaced.
You have an error. The main reason for the collapse is not the loss of knowledge, but the selection of personnel with more primitive abilities. Due to the fact that high-ranking authorities do not want to have competitive subordination, or the recruitment was carried out with corruption. That is, the collapse is conscious. Even if there is a flood after me, I will make maximum profit from my place in the system.
We do not disagree. "Knowledge loss" can be from passive processes or active attacks, and it can be decided within institutions, as when meritocracy is abandoned.
The US is being actively destroyed through organizational practices, enforced through bureaucracy and funding arrangements, and carried-along broadly through mass media campaigns.
re Samo Burja Why Civilisations Collapse: IMHO the historical assumptions are far too sweeping. Where is the evidence that Bronze Age collapse was preceeded by intellectual collapse? (introductory reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4LRHJlijVU&t=235s for those interested). Ditto the Roman Empire which continued in the east up 1453, forty years before Colombus' first voyage. Its vast knowledge - technical, scientific, mathematical, philosophical, literary, religious - was transferred both east and west and was responsible for the School of Paris and the Renaissance, (ie 'rebirth' referring to Rome).
The great wealth of the Greek heritage in science, philosophy and the humanities were preserved and diseminateded not least by the conquering Arabs who themselves had contributed enormously to science and mathematics. Thus the intellectual patrimony of the eastern Mediterranean and west Asia were brought to [the barbarians] of NW Europe, as pearls before swine, since they were never fully understood or wholly adopted.
The successor empire to the East Roman [ie so called Byzantium], the Ottoman, saw a period of 400 years of more or less peaceful co-existence between its occupied peoples, not least its religious communities. Was this destroyed internally by intellectual collapse? No, it was destroyed first and foremost by the plots and plans of Great Britain over 100 years, using Freemasonry (The Grand Orient lodges) to gather and fund an anti-muslim, anti-Ottoman group out of Thessaloniki, the self-titled Young Turks, most of whom were not Turkish. [see Donmeh].
Did the modern European empires - Austro-Hungarian, Russian and German - fall through intellectual collapse? No, they fell through the plots , machinations and funding of Great Britain and jewish American bankers imposing WW1 on Europe.....in turn, did the British Empire collapse through intellectual decay? No it collapsed through the wars the USA helped foment and lent Britain the money to fight, thus bankrupting its Treasury, and only joined when victory was clear ....
The loss of operational knowledge, experience and expertise in a society, and the decay/loss of social orders that enable the societal functions, are teased out well in this essay.
Yes, they can be attacked, and have been attacked and ARE attacked now.
The US does depend on older technicians from days past and has not been passing the critical expertise along. Boeing is a tragic example, consumed by "business types" after the 1990s merger with (shareholder value focused) McDonnell-Douglas.
Especially after they sprung on we wolves running wild and then full stop 4 years ago. Now evidently we pretend everything is normal now and mistakes happen. I have no clue how this game plays out. I’m mostly entertained by people trying to get out of the trap by voting for “Virtu” in politics. Still in my mockery I try to stay away from the dark side of the road.
Dr. John we entered collapse when Alden Pyle's body washed up under the bridge at Dakao, his lungs all full of mud; maybe it took 2020 for some to realize but no it sure doesn’t seem like it. Voters are fixed in belief that Shane is a candidate
Failing elites often get unseated. They may be replaced by better, worse or similarly dysfunctional, but only better can forge a new, more stable social order and political economy.
There have been books, and books, and books, written about the decline and fall of civilisations and empires; variously it;s been claimed to be due to politics, or over-stretch, or resources shortages, or economics, or even, a few have claimed, the decline in 'sexual morality'...
None appear to consider the changes to the child-mother relationship infants enter into at birth a
relationship which is the foundational relationship for all societal relations, especially those of institutions...
Recently i was waiting for a bus on a busy inner-suburban street, when noticed the approach of young woman pushing a stroller . Sat laidback but upright in the stroller was a boy, probable two years old...The boy's head was tilted slightly to the left and his eyes looked indifferently downward at nothing...He lie like a limp, rag doll.. Not once during the 7-8 minutes wait for my bus did the boys eyes come into focus - he just 'wasnt there'; He showed absolutely no interest in his surroundings, not cars whizzing by, not pedestrians passing, or anyone waiting for a bus. No interest in anything...
When suddenly a bus screeched to a halt the little boy limply stretched his right arm and lamely pointing toward the bus, quietly uttered "Mum. Bus." As he did so he cocked his right ear ever so slightly, anticipating the mother's acknowledging response...There was none...You could feel the boy shrinking back into himself...During the 7-8 minutes the mother had not once interacted with the boy in any way...His view of his mother was blocked by the strollers canopy, and during the entire time her attentions were taken by the little black device she kept held to an ear...There was no eye contact, nor physical contact between mother and child of the sort necessary for the young's emotional development - as David Boadella describes in:
https://www.energyandcharacter.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/free-article-9.-INGLES-STRESS-AND-CHARACTER-STRUCTURE-.pdf
The mother-child relationship has been under considerable pressures post-world war two, and has changed...It is the primary relationship of every society, empire, and civilisation yet few seem to be interested in how they contribute to the decline and fall of civilisations...
Totally agree! But would situate the change from the 70s forward when women joined the work force and latchkey children and eventually under-3 all day nurseries proliferated. Those of us in our late 50s to 70s generally grew up in large pre-pill baby boom families with stay-at-home mothers where 4 was considered a normal number of children and 6 children unremarkable. Back then only children were pitied...
I emphasise the size of the families because whatever the quality of mothercare, this was more than made up for by interaction with siblings.
Big enough sisters get a baby to take care of.
;-)
Yes, I am profoundly saddened.
;-(
One of the things non-Americans absolutely cannot tolerate about America is the way that it thinks it can do whatever it wants, up to and including genocide, but is absolutely free of appropriate punishment and restitution for its previous acts of inhumanity against non-Americans.
American Society is indeed in complete collapse right now, but there is no way it should be allowed to rebuild in any way without punishment for 80 plus years of global murder, genocide and crimes against humanity.
A minimum of $500trn in 'war reparations' should be sufficient and it must include 100% asset confiscation from the richest, oldest bloodlines who have always been behind the plans to loot the world via the murdering of innocent foreigners. It will also unfortunately wipe out the prime organisers of the Covid19 scam, which will wipe out the Gates family dynasty in its entirety.
But the "bloodlines" and "owners" are not "American society", are they? "The City of London" is a center of power, but that cancer has metastasized.
The form of creation of "money" is the core of the power wielded by the "owners" and their dark machines. AFTER that is changed, they will be weakened and less able to bribe and to pay assassins and armies.
The English, Welsh and Scottish peoples are going through austerity now, having been bled by the imperial City of London, as a source of power, and now just a source of residual human blood.
;-(
Maybe if that serial lying psychopath Netanyahu demands no more October 7ths, he should not be complicit in such attacks by standing down for seven hours while the world's most surveilled border was "somehow" massively breached and the rampage continued for seven hours without repsonse, "coincidentally" the perfect pretext for his genocidal final solution.
Netanyahu remains true to form, never giving any "sucker" "an even break".
You have an error. The main reason for the collapse is not the loss of knowledge, but the selection of personnel with more primitive abilities. Due to the fact that high-ranking authorities do not want to have competitive subordination, or the recruitment was carried out with corruption. That is, the collapse is conscious. Even if there is a flood after me, I will make maximum profit from my place in the system.
You double posted. I replied to the other. You deleted it with my reply.
This is not an error. Replacing competent, knowledgeable people, who exercise human agency, with incompetent people, who strictly follow orders, is a particular form of "loss of knowledge", which is well expounded in the complete essay, though I did not edit it out, either.
This "corruption" assures that the system will be loyal to the owners, and also assures that it will decay as the competent people age-out and leave, if not already replaced.
You have an error. The main reason for the collapse is not the loss of knowledge, but the selection of personnel with more primitive abilities. Due to the fact that high-ranking authorities do not want to have competitive subordination, or the recruitment was carried out with corruption. That is, the collapse is conscious. Even if there is a flood after me, I will make maximum profit from my place in the system.
We do not disagree. "Knowledge loss" can be from passive processes or active attacks, and it can be decided within institutions, as when meritocracy is abandoned.
The US is being actively destroyed through organizational practices, enforced through bureaucracy and funding arrangements, and carried-along broadly through mass media campaigns.
;-(
re Samo Burja Why Civilisations Collapse: IMHO the historical assumptions are far too sweeping. Where is the evidence that Bronze Age collapse was preceeded by intellectual collapse? (introductory reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4LRHJlijVU&t=235s for those interested). Ditto the Roman Empire which continued in the east up 1453, forty years before Colombus' first voyage. Its vast knowledge - technical, scientific, mathematical, philosophical, literary, religious - was transferred both east and west and was responsible for the School of Paris and the Renaissance, (ie 'rebirth' referring to Rome).
Continuing.....
The great wealth of the Greek heritage in science, philosophy and the humanities were preserved and diseminateded not least by the conquering Arabs who themselves had contributed enormously to science and mathematics. Thus the intellectual patrimony of the eastern Mediterranean and west Asia were brought to [the barbarians] of NW Europe, as pearls before swine, since they were never fully understood or wholly adopted.
The successor empire to the East Roman [ie so called Byzantium], the Ottoman, saw a period of 400 years of more or less peaceful co-existence between its occupied peoples, not least its religious communities. Was this destroyed internally by intellectual collapse? No, it was destroyed first and foremost by the plots and plans of Great Britain over 100 years, using Freemasonry (The Grand Orient lodges) to gather and fund an anti-muslim, anti-Ottoman group out of Thessaloniki, the self-titled Young Turks, most of whom were not Turkish. [see Donmeh].
Did the modern European empires - Austro-Hungarian, Russian and German - fall through intellectual collapse? No, they fell through the plots , machinations and funding of Great Britain and jewish American bankers imposing WW1 on Europe.....in turn, did the British Empire collapse through intellectual decay? No it collapsed through the wars the USA helped foment and lent Britain the money to fight, thus bankrupting its Treasury, and only joined when victory was clear ....
The loss of operational knowledge, experience and expertise in a society, and the decay/loss of social orders that enable the societal functions, are teased out well in this essay.
Yes, they can be attacked, and have been attacked and ARE attacked now.
The US does depend on older technicians from days past and has not been passing the critical expertise along. Boeing is a tragic example, consumed by "business types" after the 1990s merger with (shareholder value focused) McDonnell-Douglas.
I agree. I noticed all of that, also. His assessment is no less worthy for his misunderstandings and simplifications of the more antiquated past.
Samo understands bureaucracies. It is his gift, and he shares it.
https://samoburja.com/gft/
Waiting then for our Replicant aristocrats to set things straight since people like to be ruled by their betters.😅
Don't wait for traps to spring...
Especially after they sprung on we wolves running wild and then full stop 4 years ago. Now evidently we pretend everything is normal now and mistakes happen. I have no clue how this game plays out. I’m mostly entertained by people trying to get out of the trap by voting for “Virtu” in politics. Still in my mockery I try to stay away from the dark side of the road.
I'll find you "on the bright side of the road", then?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN06X_IEIVA
Van is the inspiration. I have to say though the Jerry Garcia Band did an excellent cover.
Dr. John we entered collapse when Alden Pyle's body washed up under the bridge at Dakao, his lungs all full of mud; maybe it took 2020 for some to realize but no it sure doesn’t seem like it. Voters are fixed in belief that Shane is a candidate
Wikipedia: "Alden Pyle is the "quiet American" of the title. A CIA agent working undercover..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quiet_American
Failing elites often get unseated. They may be replaced by better, worse or similarly dysfunctional, but only better can forge a new, more stable social order and political economy.
"This may take awhile."