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Barbara Charis's avatar

Shakespeare was right..."Neither A Borrower or a lender be!" Learn to live on what you already have.. I had absolutely nothing as a child, but never envied anyone. Life is an opportunity to learn. There is nothing more exciting than learning. The whole wold is so focused on money...and has lost sight of one of the most important things: Finding your own gifts (talents and abilities) that would really make your life really worth living. It is not things! Those who have focused their entire lives on obtaining, protecting and increasing their money ....have wasted the gift of life.

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John Day MD's avatar

Each of us has a potential path of meaning and purpose, and we can find that path and follow it if we really want to.

There are so many distractions...

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Barbara Charis's avatar

When i left a marriage of 21 years...I did not know where I was going, but knew it was time to go...I never had one regret. I knew one thing...I never wanted o get married again. Life opened up for me...and learning escalated. I used my experience in raising 4 children for 21 years to write a 300 page manuscript..which didn't sell, because the AMA would not approve...I did not have a doctorate...So, I kept on learning for another 15 years, before Sharing from the heart was published. it ws primarily about nutrition, but its title was a bit misleading. I should have called it Dates are for Camels.. Anyway, I learned back in the 1950s about Margaret Mitchell who died, before she could write a sequel to Gone with the Wind. She was very successful and didn't get around to writing it. I read the book 7 times...and was so sorry she didn't write a.sequel. I thought... What is success, if you don't finish the work you were meant to do?

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Barbara Charis's avatar

I am aware that Social Security has his death at 99...and even his gravestone.. 99. However, I have met people who actually met him...who say otherwise. One was an woman in her mid-eighties who i met in 1982. She was a crossing guard in the Beverly Hills area...and my little boy called her Grandma Gae. She told me that she met Dr. Walker in 1934, when she owned a health food store in Long Beach, CA. He wanted her to sell his newly invented Norwalk Juicer. She was in her 30s at the time. She said that he looked around 70. I also met a man who lived in Arkansas, when Dr Walker had a farm there. He was about 12 at the time...and Dr. Walker let him drive his old car around the farm... One day he showed the boy his Baptismal Certificate...with the date 1867 on it. I met this man and his wife at a. health convention in Los Angeles years ago...and i also ran into some older men who were sitting around talking at a health convention around 1980, at the Ambassador hotel...and they were talking about Dr. Walker... I overheard their conversation. He must have had his own reasons...for hiding his age.

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John Day MD's avatar

You call him "Doctor", but I don't see that anywhere else. I wonder if the carrot juice I got as a little boy in San Diego, and we did live in Long Beach for awhile, was linked to him. My Grandmother Day would have known about him, I am sure...

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John Day MD's avatar

I like dates, too. I would not walk a mile for a camel.

Did you come across the work of Francis Pottenger MD, who studied cats and various diets, and humans eating traditional diets, and then after the advent of processed foods? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_M._Pottenger_Jr.

I had early childhood food allergies, and my grandmother sought him out to be my doctor until we moved away from San Diego when I was 6, and Dad (USMC) got orders...

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Barbara Charis's avatar

Dates are for camels...Camels are the ships of the desert, which traverse from one oasis to the next, where they get their 'fuel"...dates. The sugar from the dates is stores in their humps, to give them energy. it is a fruit , which is too high in carbs for human consumption. Dates were designed for camels...not humans.

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John Day MD's avatar

I don't eat too many. I do fine.

;-)

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Barbara Charis's avatar

Yes, in 64 years of studying nutrition info...I have come across almost all those connected to nutrition. Dr Norman Walker...was the most successful! He lived a long and productive life. He wrote his last book just several years before he made his transition in 1985. He was out walking doing his daily 5 mile walk, when he was hit by a car...and died 3 months later. He was well over 100...although he did not want to admit to his age. He always called himself AGELESS in his books. However, I do know people who knew how old he really was.. He was born in 1867 - died in 1985.....118 years

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John Day MD's avatar

You've got to choose your parents right to do that, and everything else, too.

I was raised by "health nuts", as the term was in those days. I have mostly been a poster-child for that, getting fresh carrot juice as a treat as a child, and dates, when we drove through Dateland...

Wikipedia says Walker lived to be 99, at which I might have a shot, and which Kissinger and Carter surpassed, but I realize that it all gets hard after 86, having watched my Grandfather Williams and Grandmother Day live to be 96 and 95.

I'm not aiming at a number, though I decided to aim for 100 when I was 5... It seemed achievable for me, from what I could tell from my Great Grandmother at the time. She also got close.

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sjamil's avatar

Three major religions of the world frown upon interest /usury and it is this exact system that is used again and again always leading to chaos and destruction.

If we get rid of an interest based debt driven economy many of the problems we are facing would correct themselves. But amazingly no leader we see today would even be willing to consider such a suggestion. Occasionally a head of a country will try to remove itself from the tentacles of this vicious network and the cost is their life.

What would happen if we follow the guidance that overlaps in these major religions? Because theological differences aside, if we made a venn diagram and looked at what practical advice existed in the overlapping circle, the answers we would find there would surprisingly all be the same road leading out of this chaos towards the peace we seek, starting with absolutely prohibiting an interest based debt driven economy. 

So many people everywhere, praying,

but sadly the majority of the world, regardless of their religious affiliation, worships at the altar of the almighty dollar

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John Day MD's avatar

Which 3 religions?

I am very much in favor of Islamic Finance, and Russia has opened 3 or more Islamic finance banks, in 2023 I think.

Michael Hudson has very carefully traced the path from Jesus being against usurious debt, to the perversion of his teachings to synchronize with the Roman system, which completely supported creditors in all matters, and which continues today:

He Died for our Debt, not our Sins https://michael-hudson.com/2017/12/he-died-for-our-debt-not-our-sins/

Global finance indebts nations for wars against each other, bleeding them forever. If the US and Russia can truly align, it may well thwart these ancient money interests, "black nobility", dating back a very long time (which is contested, but at least to the Crusades).

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sjamil's avatar

Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

Interest is prohibited in Islam and Judaism, and strongly discouraged in Christianity. This lineage of religions has tremendous overlap in teachings. Idol worship does not refer to stone statues but to materialistic pursuits which eventually compel societies to lose their humanity. Whatever faith one professes to follow, most people today worship at the altar of the almighty dollar. Islam, specifically calls out this corruption and states clearly that the prophets of their times were persecuted for speaking truth to power and demanding an end to corruption, for this they were persecuted and in the case of Jesus, crucified.

Interst based systems are not sustainable and always end in war, extreme chaos, death and destruction. Such systems see incredible unprecedented short term growth and then crash and burn undoing any and all progress.

There is no way to course correct without eliminating the interest based debt driven monetary system on which the entire global economy is precariously balanced. The Islamic solution would be to rewrite debt, erasing the interest and only requiring the original principal borrowed be repaid, and on a timeline that is manageable for the debtor.

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John Day MD's avatar

Only Islam seems actually serious about forbidding usury, and it is a little hard to calculate with monetary inflation moving the baseline. Orthodoxy is more serious about it than Catholicism and Protestantism, since the Pope and Rome, in general decided to be on the side of lenders.

Jesus was against it, which appears to be the proximal reason for his crucufixion. There was only one crime punishable by crucifixion in Rome; "Troublemaker", a threat to the established order. Driving the money changers out of the temple with a whip qualified him, it seems.

The world would do better with Islamic banking.

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sjamil's avatar

Judaism also prohibits interest. There is a line of thinking that Jesus was Jewish and a prophet sent to end the corruption that had infiltrated the religious teachings, primary among those: the use of interest, as well as debt creation, money hoarding and laundering. From my understanding Jewish philosophy allows you to engage in interest outside of Jewish communities, Islam expressly prohibits interest regardless of who you are engaging with. Islamic financial principles are pretty basic, simple to understand, transparent and not predatory. In Islam interest is forbidden, debt is discouraged and hoarding is looked down upon. Money should serve people not the other way around. So in Islam the only real tax is supposed to be on money that is not spent or used and from my understanding that's less than 5 percent. Trade and capitalism is encouraged under the umbrella of honesty, integrity, accountability and transparency. Businesses are supposed to be structured so everyone invested shares in loss and profit. This is different from the loans currently required to start and maintain businesses. The lender gains no matter what and thus is not really vested in the success of the business.

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