I am 67 4/7. Lucky soul and lucky stars in my California life all things considered. At 67 I have been blessed with witnessing the the highest decline of intelligence in 67 years of increased madness. I have been able to fight back and shout out and after Gulf War 2 my survival instincts kicked in. War is, was and shall always be the health of any State. The abolition of the State may be able to impede war and may also lead a nation into freedom and adulthood.
First thing I remember
Was asking Papa, "Why?"
For there were many things I didn't know
And Daddy always smiled
Took me by the hand
Saying, "Someday you'll understand"
Well, I'm here to tell you now each and every mother's son
You better learn it fast, you better learn it young
The Baltimore bridge: What a story to wake up to! I worked for a container shipping company for three years, so I have some understanding of what Maersk faces. They have got to get the Dali moved to a port where they can offload the containers. From there the containers will have to move via truck and rail, if only to another port. What a nightmare for them. Not to mention the thousands of cars that normally travel over that bridge. Alternative highways will be jammed.
Three big stories at once is a bit overmuch (Moscow terrorist attack and Gaza being the other two). I admit that from California Baltimore is a bridge too far.
As I watched a replay on “Marine Traffic" of that ship departing the terminal, first thing that went through my head was, 'What a phlunkin’ cowboys that captain/pilot duo must be?" Morons!
Imagine, 180 deg. turn departure and almost immediately up to a speed of 8 knots within sight of a bridge ahead, … within confines of a harbour! Who in the name of 'gawd' does such manoeuvre with a 300 metre long and 50 metres wide container ship, … and fully loaded? And that’s precisely what these two captains did, … and than something really, really went wrong!
Anyway, … considering the layout of that port - and the size of this ship, … I don’t think this ocean-going tub should have exceed 3 knots! At least not until clearing that phlunkin’ bridge!
… but what do I know? I quit sailing my sailboat ~5 years ago when I left Vancouver Island for Calgary.
I doubt very much that there was anything intentional in this incident. Time is money in this business! Strict schedule. Berthing rights allotment - you miss it, too bad! Line up behind that last tub at anchorage! Next?
When I sailed on my sailboat on Great Lakes, … most often we saw lakers racing each other to the locks. You get to the lock first, a loosing tub has to wait extra hours, … lost time!
Anyway, … in this case, I believe, a habit was controlling both captains - you know, we do this every time ( … speeding out of the bay with impunity! ), and nothing ever goes wrong. Until it does!
I suspect it was simply a catastrophic, unfortunate, equipment failure. If that boat was not going, say ~8 knots plus to start with, … but just 3, with lost engine power, it probably would have been just drifting within couple or three nautical miles at river’s current rate, and that probably would centre it between the bridge’s supports instead, … or just brush one! The night cam vid shows that there was virtually no wind - a very, very calm night. So virtually no wind effect on that tall containers-staked-up walls, …
shows the piling (?) that must have supported the bridge, the span that collapsed. If Dali ran into it, serious damage would happen.
Now that I look again at the photos, I doubt that ship is going anywhere. Maersk will have to offload the containers where the ship sits. That will be a hell of a project. The ship itself may be totalled. Thank God it's only Tuesday.
Bigger is always better, right! The insurance industry globally hasn't been making money in line with the business model it was designed on, for over two decades now according to the financial guru's. The model they work with is 7% return on investments annually, who has made this since '07? The entire financial industry is based on two imaginary ideas, infinite growth and fiat currency. The whole thing won't stand much longer anyway. I think the basic idea behind BRICS is looking for a way around the coming crash, multipolar being just one small part. The growth part is over and probably has been for some time now.
Thank you for the update. Have you found any "news" about the containers that were stacked on deck at the front of the ship? Some photos make it look like they were knocked over, a little like tinker toys. I wonder if any were knocked off. I am not surprised to learn the ship is ruined below the waterline - how could it be otherwise? It essentially beached itself on a concrete pier.
It's Day Two of the great Bridge Bash. I woke up thinking that the design of the bridge was wrong: the entire suspension part of the bridge collapsed when the ship hit the westernmost end.
The San Francisco news was all about how that would not happen to the bridges in San Francisco Bay; ships to the Port of Oakland have to travel under two bridges - the Golden Gate and the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge. Those are presumably safe from ship collisions.
I know bow thrusters have long since replaced the need for tug boats but it is undeniable they’d have come in handy when the vessel went wayward inching closer to the bridge. Are there none that could’ve been deployed? I don’t know. Maybe not. But it’s a stark reminder that in today’s modern world it might be handy to have some old fashioned backups just in case.
He said there were tugs there. Am I missing something thinking they might have been useful to bring them back? They knew the ship was adrift and it took a little while before it hit the bridge.
This just in: The ship’s pilot used a high-frequency radio to request assistance, helping to alert the on-duty Maryland Transportation Authority officer.
The pilot called for “tugs in the vicinity,” which helped the vessel leave the port and get into its main channel.
Before the Dali hit the bridge, it had no tugs.
Thirty seconds later, the pilot ordered the ship’s anchor to be dropped and gave “additional steering commands.”
At 1:27 a.m., the pilot reported that the Dali had lost all power and was approaching the bridge.
At the time, there were two Maryland Transportation Authority units at the scene because of the ongoing road construction, and those units shut down all lanes of traffic on the bridge.
Again I ask, Why no tugs dispatched? And, if the Maryland Transportation Authority didn’t happen to be there overseeing road work on the bridge would traffic had been halted on it?
Victoria is Satan’s wife
One of those Low Country queens was photographed wearing a HUGE Satanic necklace! Aren't these people creepy enough without that?
At least an extended-dalliance...
;-(
I am 67 4/7. Lucky soul and lucky stars in my California life all things considered. At 67 I have been blessed with witnessing the the highest decline of intelligence in 67 years of increased madness. I have been able to fight back and shout out and after Gulf War 2 my survival instincts kicked in. War is, was and shall always be the health of any State. The abolition of the State may be able to impede war and may also lead a nation into freedom and adulthood.
First thing I remember
Was asking Papa, "Why?"
For there were many things I didn't know
And Daddy always smiled
Took me by the hand
Saying, "Someday you'll understand"
Well, I'm here to tell you now each and every mother's son
You better learn it fast, you better learn it young
'Cause someday never comes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwNuQulK6N0
(We are about the same age. I was a bicentennial grad from high school)
The Baltimore bridge: What a story to wake up to! I worked for a container shipping company for three years, so I have some understanding of what Maersk faces. They have got to get the Dali moved to a port where they can offload the containers. From there the containers will have to move via truck and rail, if only to another port. What a nightmare for them. Not to mention the thousands of cars that normally travel over that bridge. Alternative highways will be jammed.
Three big stories at once is a bit overmuch (Moscow terrorist attack and Gaza being the other two). I admit that from California Baltimore is a bridge too far.
Nice peaches!
As I watched a replay on “Marine Traffic" of that ship departing the terminal, first thing that went through my head was, 'What a phlunkin’ cowboys that captain/pilot duo must be?" Morons!
Imagine, 180 deg. turn departure and almost immediately up to a speed of 8 knots within sight of a bridge ahead, … within confines of a harbour! Who in the name of 'gawd' does such manoeuvre with a 300 metre long and 50 metres wide container ship, … and fully loaded? And that’s precisely what these two captains did, … and than something really, really went wrong!
Anyway, … considering the layout of that port - and the size of this ship, … I don’t think this ocean-going tub should have exceed 3 knots! At least not until clearing that phlunkin’ bridge!
… but what do I know? I quit sailing my sailboat ~5 years ago when I left Vancouver Island for Calgary.
F.S., … landlubber since 2018
This fellow says the ship had slowed to under 1 mph before colliding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N39w6aQFKSQ
A friend sent me this, proposing a false-flag with explosions of the bridge, but there were a lot of lights in the area; I'm not convinced.
These videos are helpful:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEkRjlSgIIQ
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1772584535273734567
I doubt very much that there was anything intentional in this incident. Time is money in this business! Strict schedule. Berthing rights allotment - you miss it, too bad! Line up behind that last tub at anchorage! Next?
When I sailed on my sailboat on Great Lakes, … most often we saw lakers racing each other to the locks. You get to the lock first, a loosing tub has to wait extra hours, … lost time!
Anyway, … in this case, I believe, a habit was controlling both captains - you know, we do this every time ( … speeding out of the bay with impunity! ), and nothing ever goes wrong. Until it does!
I suspect it was simply a catastrophic, unfortunate, equipment failure. If that boat was not going, say ~8 knots plus to start with, … but just 3, with lost engine power, it probably would have been just drifting within couple or three nautical miles at river’s current rate, and that probably would centre it between the bridge’s supports instead, … or just brush one! The night cam vid shows that there was virtually no wind - a very, very calm night. So virtually no wind effect on that tall containers-staked-up walls, …
… fwiw
I think the Dali sank. This jams up east coast shipping.
Here are a couple more takes on that.
https://youtu.be/N39w6aQFKSQ
https://twitter.com/newglorycomith/status/1772621946246545906
https://www.businessinsider.com/what-we-know-dali-francis-scott-crash-collapse-maryland-bridge-2024-3?op=1
shows the piling (?) that must have supported the bridge, the span that collapsed. If Dali ran into it, serious damage would happen.
Now that I look again at the photos, I doubt that ship is going anywhere. Maersk will have to offload the containers where the ship sits. That will be a hell of a project. The ship itself may be totalled. Thank God it's only Tuesday.
Before I read your post I had been reading news accounts of the crash. One said the ship sank, but I found no corroboration.
Gee, if the ship sank, it's a worse scenario. Could be the end of Maersk or its insurers.
$3 billion estimated cost to re-insurers.
AIG (reinsurer) going down was a big domino in 2008.
Ouch!
I had not thought of the 2008 connection. It was for sure a bad time for reinsurers.
This one accident is going to have massive follow-on events.
I would not mind seeing the end of big container ships. When they work, they're great. When they fail, it's hell.
Bigger is always better, right! The insurance industry globally hasn't been making money in line with the business model it was designed on, for over two decades now according to the financial guru's. The model they work with is 7% return on investments annually, who has made this since '07? The entire financial industry is based on two imaginary ideas, infinite growth and fiat currency. The whole thing won't stand much longer anyway. I think the basic idea behind BRICS is looking for a way around the coming crash, multipolar being just one small part. The growth part is over and probably has been for some time now.
Maybe there was no real growth after 2018, huh?
It didn't sink, but it is grounded and ruined below the waterline.
Thank you for the update. Have you found any "news" about the containers that were stacked on deck at the front of the ship? Some photos make it look like they were knocked over, a little like tinker toys. I wonder if any were knocked off. I am not surprised to learn the ship is ruined below the waterline - how could it be otherwise? It essentially beached itself on a concrete pier.
I saw a picture of the grounded ship with many of the containers still stacked on top, and bridge collapsed over that.
It's Day Two of the great Bridge Bash. I woke up thinking that the design of the bridge was wrong: the entire suspension part of the bridge collapsed when the ship hit the westernmost end.
The San Francisco news was all about how that would not happen to the bridges in San Francisco Bay; ships to the Port of Oakland have to travel under two bridges - the Golden Gate and the San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge. Those are presumably safe from ship collisions.
Goliath becoming very out in the open lately. Cold control becoming warmer.
The ship had a port pilot.
I know bow thrusters have long since replaced the need for tug boats but it is undeniable they’d have come in handy when the vessel went wayward inching closer to the bridge. Are there none that could’ve been deployed? I don’t know. Maybe not. But it’s a stark reminder that in today’s modern world it might be handy to have some old fashioned backups just in case.
The ship slowed down to almost zero when it made contact, using thrusters to do so when the lights came back on. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N39w6aQFKSQ
Something is very wrong here.
He said there were tugs there. Am I missing something thinking they might have been useful to bring them back? They knew the ship was adrift and it took a little while before it hit the bridge.
The ship was doing fine until all the lights went out, it seems. Then on, and reversing thrust hard, but already drifting out of the proper channel.
https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1772584535273734567
This just in: The ship’s pilot used a high-frequency radio to request assistance, helping to alert the on-duty Maryland Transportation Authority officer.
The pilot called for “tugs in the vicinity,” which helped the vessel leave the port and get into its main channel.
Before the Dali hit the bridge, it had no tugs.
Thirty seconds later, the pilot ordered the ship’s anchor to be dropped and gave “additional steering commands.”
At 1:27 a.m., the pilot reported that the Dali had lost all power and was approaching the bridge.
At the time, there were two Maryland Transportation Authority units at the scene because of the ongoing road construction, and those units shut down all lanes of traffic on the bridge.
Again I ask, Why no tugs dispatched? And, if the Maryland Transportation Authority didn’t happen to be there overseeing road work on the bridge would traffic had been halted on it?