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Mary Ballon's avatar

John I have read all the terrible things that Breggin hurled at Malone. No question that he has gone away too far. Into really irrational things. Malone assembled then on his article! Breggin is a hazard to himself and must be stopped. IMHO.

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John Day MD's avatar

I've just read summaries of what Peter Breggin said, not all of it in detail. Do you have it in one a link, Mary?

I know there is a lot of widespread suspicion about Robert Malone, and I have discounted it, myself, since I have found so much of his information useful, and against the interests of Pfizer et.al.

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Grape Soda's avatar

I read some of the linked brief and the Bs were saying that because Malone didn’t subscribe to their exact beliefs, he was suspect. The Bs are basically accusing him of being a covert agent of some sort based on his recent conversion to vaccine doubt. I find Malone credible as a recent convert. You would expect a cautious evolution not wholesale adoption of all the beliefs of the anti vax community. Finally it seems to me that it is the Bs who picked this particular fight.

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John Day MD's avatar

If a lot of people think you are "controlled opposition", and you sue one of them for $25 million for defamation, does that convince the public that you are not "controlled opposition"?

How does this serve Robert Malone's interests?

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Grape Soda's avatar

I could be wrong. But I read it as a defense of reputation. Now why does Malone feel the need to defend his reputation? It could be that he does see himself as a leader for whom credibility is necessary. That alone though doesn’t tell you his motives. Only his actions over time will show his intentions. I do though distrust purity tests such as the ones the Bs use to discredit him.

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John Day MD's avatar

I agree it is plausible that Robert Malone could decide to do this for personal reasons...

It doesn't serve his interest, though, not that I can tell.

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barbara ford's avatar

Saddens me to read of the lawsuit. Understand defamation but I never thought less of either gent just because they disagreed. Neither do I understand the amount. Very sad.

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John Day MD's avatar

I am suspicious that some entity made Dr. Malone "an offer he could not refuse".

This is not in his personal interest at all.

It serves to discredit him among the people who are already listening to him.

:-(

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jacquelyn sauriol's avatar

I think this suit against a fellow doctor makes Malone look quite mean spirited. Thanks for framing your comment the way you did. Never capitualate, even when they frame you.

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Patricia Russell's avatar

I have read the lawsuit. Have you? What the Breggins, Jane Ruby, et al, have published and publicly stated about Dr. Malone is shockingly defamatory. It is all conjecture and speculation. It appears to me they have taken threads of Dr. Malone's past and woven an outlandish narrative backed by their biases and current worldview. It made me look at the Breggins & Jane Ruby differently. I would have thought they would have a higher level of discernment before publishing such nonsense. Is it jealousy, a delusion or are they just hacks? I'm not defending Dr. Malone as some sort of hero. We have all taken different paths to get to where we are today. Dr. Malone's past in the mainstream medical/scientific complex doesn't make him, according to Breggin, "a supporter of any apologist for political mass murderers. He is not a Hitler apologist and/or a Hitler “excuser”. Breggin claims "Dr. Malone IS Dangerous. I knew from day one, this man is in the middle of every horrific thing that has happened to humanity. He is an operative running interference to keep this thing going" (another of Breggin's multiple off-base claims). I have also read the original letter from Dr. Malone's attorney asking the Breggins to retract their statements, apologize and come to some sort of amiable resolve without having to involve the court system. The Breggins responded by amplifying their public statements. They won't stop. They're obsessed and come off as foolish. So Dr. Malone is demanding a jury trial and the Breggins, Jane Ruby, et al, will have to defend their statements which I think are just baseless opinions that support the narrative of the Breggins' book and the POV of Jane Ruby's podcast.

I have since gone to the Breggins website where they are claiming to be victims. Their newest claim is Dr. Malone is trying to take down Dr. McCullough and Dr. Risch and any other doctor (including themselves) he sees as competition. They took 2 sentences out of a talk Dr. Malone gave where he mentioned Dr. McCullough and Dr. Risch and built a fanciful narrative essay around what that meant and have it currently published on their website. Maybe Breggin has lost it mentally? He comes off as delusional.

Dr. Malone feels he has suffered reputational harm and financial harm by the Breggins, et al. So he is now suing as they won't stop or retract. As far as the $25 million, the lawyer puts that dollar amount into this type of complaint. The lawyer chooses an amount that would be acceptable to the state where the trial will take place. A jury will ultimately decide any financial reward.

If you care to read the complaint this is a link: https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/just-the-facts?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=583200&post_id=87613609&isFreemail=true&utm_medium=email.

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John Day MD's avatar

I've now read Dr. Malone's post, multiple of his other posts to which he links, the 3 part book review by the Breggins of the Mattias Desmet book explaining Mass Formation.

Dr. Malone is understandably deeply affected by all of the negative portrayal he has been getting from people who share his same basic goals. He is effectively "damned if he does and damned if he doesn't". He had previously stood up for himself without attacking, but could not seem to get enough hearing. I have often supported him against accusations of being controlled-opposition, which many people seem to believe. i began paying attention to him in 2020, and always appreciated his input; found it helpful in understanding the big picture.

Sowing discord among the opposition is done by those who work to support the status quo.

It seems to be at work here.

Mattias Desmet seems to have been judged more harshly by the Breggins than Dr. Malonne. Still, all of this appears to be within the realm of political opinion and free-speech about public figures.

Dr. Malone will, unfortunately, convince the suspicious that he is "controlled opposition" by this lawsuit, which is a financial attack on the Breggins. I do not share their views about the motivations of Mattias Desmet and Robert Malone. I think they are wrong, but that's my opinion, and they have their opinions, too.

We are all like the blind men describing an elephant. We are all partly right, but nobody is completely right. Life is complicated.

We are all under attack, and should not attack each other.

Again, I can only control my own actions when attacked.

I try not to make things worse.

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Patricia Russell's avatar

I appreciate and agree with your comments. If this case makes it to trial some of what the Breggins has claimed may be found by the jury to fall within the realm of free speech - but maybe not all of it. I realize we are living in a time of great upheaval and change with a potential nightmare spinning out of control. It can be really confusing to see the big picture as we are lied to and propagandized 24/7. In this situation I side with Dr. Malone in that he did try to get the Breggins, et al, to stop and they refused. I don't see this as a financial attack on the Breggins as much as a potential financial consequence of their irresponsible rhetoric. That tells me the Breggins critical thinking is compromised, they're caught up in the "fever swamp" or they have another agenda. But it is unfortunate it has come to this.

I thought this was an interesting comment from Dr. Malone regarding the attacks he is facing from his substack titled "More Fever Swamp" (link below). This was written well before he filed the lawsuit.

"And I do not respond well to people who try to blackmail me to go on their podcasts, as the Breggins did. And I do not do podcasts to “debate” with the crazies. I have enough to do without dealing with all of this additional darkness. I hope I have now made that clear to all concerned. Just because someone attacks me does not mean that I have an obligation to go on their podcast so that they can get lots of clicks and sell more vitamins or air filters or books or whatever. Seems pretty straightforward? Make sense to you? Are we all aligned on this?

I prefer to avoid the fever swamps of conspiracy land, and to stay fact based. Which is why I was late to the party (compared to some) in coming to terms with the WEF and the “Great Reset”. Because it was outside of my core competency, I have never been to the Davos meetings, and this seemed to be yet another conspiracy theory. And when I realized I was wrong about that, I dove in to try to better understand the WEF, documented the young leaders program and its trainees, etc. And I wrote about what I discovered.

(snip)

I have done nothing to harm them (Breggins, et al), and I do not owe them anything. And I especially do not owe them the favor of coming on their podcasts so that they can make money off of insulting me."

https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/more-fever-swamp?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email:

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John Day MD's avatar

Thank You, Patricia.

I have started to read that post by Dr. Malone, now.

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John Raymond's avatar

Some are serious.

several are simply differences of opinion... Stark differences of opinion.

It looks like they don't belong.

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Patricia Russell's avatar

Agreed.

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Kristiina's avatar

Thank you, as always, for saying what you say. Assigning motivations is difficult, but I stopped reading Malone substack a while ago, as it has gone in direction I find less interesting. The Desmet hypothesis of mass formation is useful and interesting but far from the whole truth. The psychology of societies is something that anyone looking at the covid mania has to somehow take into account. Strange kerfuffle that may make all involved look ugly, and one may get a feeling it is best to just walk away.

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Kristiina's avatar

Thinking about what turned me off in what Malone says: he is fond of calling doctors who are agreeing with him heroes. I do not live in a story with heroes and villains. The need for goodies vs baddies story easily clouds clear discernment.

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John Day MD's avatar

Thanks Kristiina. I agree that Desmet could go a step further. If groups of humans have a trait which can "weaponize" them, why would it not be pumped by the "owners" when they see fit?

Probably none of the "white hats" are completely free of blemishes in this world, huh?

I hope Malone and the Breggins can find it within themselves to negotiate where to put some fences, so they can be good-neighbors.

I saw this on TAE a day or 2 ago, and thought of you. Kim Dotcom had posted it somewhere as his "favorite song".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baHsoEAAMZU

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Kristiina's avatar

Thanks, Monty Python knows it all...

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John Raymond's avatar

Good analysis. Debate is good. Lawsuits, usually bad.

Breggins are good, decent folks.

I'm in camp where I am grateful to both. But drop the lawsuit.

A debate!

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wretchedcoder's avatar

Regarding Malone vs. Breggin, I'm not happy to see people who, theoretically, fundamentally agree about the dangers of the jabs fighting each other publicly in court. This only serves to divide those opposed to the jabs.

That said, it is always fair game to criticize Science. That's what Scientists do. They question data, methodology, results and conclusions. They do not further science by attacking Scientists. It is one thing to say, "your conclusions suck", it is quite another to say, "you suck". The first is criticism in the pursuit of scientific truth, the second is ad hominem and is not "science".

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John Day MD's avatar

This is a lunge for the carotid artery with a knife by Dr Malone, on the elderly, not-wealthy, and completely sincere Breggins, who have a lifetime of public service against the medically-powerful to show their colors; excellent humans.

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John Raymond's avatar

Very good.

I'd add, I like both.

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Kamii Neko's avatar

Malone is Controlled Opposition. The Pfizer/BioNTech vax was fully approved by the Food and Drug Administration, even though an emergency use authorisation also remains in place. Dr Malone misleadingly said that Americans were only being offered the shot under emergency use authorisation and that it carried different liability ramifications. That makes him controlled op, so no surprise he's suing people really...

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John Day MD's avatar

I wonder how Malone came to be "controlled".

Maybe he got show a different JFK assassination video?

Robert Malone has a lot to lose, and to agonize over.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

You are right: Malone is not controlled; he is an actor in the "covid" theater...

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wretchedcoder's avatar

Wait... wasn't it "Comirnaty" that was approved? The stuff they're jabbing people with is not Comirnaty. At least that's what I have read, and if correct, the stuff they are jabbing people with is the EUA stuff, not the "FDA approved" stuff.

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John Day MD's avatar

Yes, Pfizer et all still need absolution-from-liability, now more than ever.

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wretchedcoder's avatar

Ok, so let's be clear then: Malone claimed Americans were only being offered the EUA jabs. So how is this "misleading" and how does that factual claim make him "controlled opposition"? I think the OP claiming this is factually confused.

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John Raymond's avatar

You are right! I followed this carefully.

CHD has much more.

Btw, I would have argued this, but God helped me get exemption

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Buzz Morasca's avatar

"Dr. Malone does not sue those who call him a nut-case-tinfoil-hat-conspiracy-theorist for defamation, but sues Peter Breggin and his wife Ginger Breggin for "defamation" for their message that Malon's take on mass-formation-psychosis tends to let the elite owners, who pump it, off-the-hook."

Check this, Mattias Desmet does does a similar thing in his book 'The Psychology of Totalitarianism' : https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/11/investigative-reports/covid-19-mass-formation-or-mass-atrocity/

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Mel Riser's avatar

Because a lot of HIDDEN information will be brought to light by the judicial discovery and subpoena process.

That’s my take

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John Day MD's avatar

Malone is suing. I'm not sure how much information the Breggins may have hidden.

I'm not sure if this makes sense for anybody but Pfizer et.al.

Pfizer's hidden information won't be discoverable, though there is a lot of it already out there.

https://usawatchdog.com/everybody-knew-cv-19-vax-was-a-criminal-bioweapon-karen-kingston/

Kingston says documents with the drug makers, FDA and CDC listed the deadly and debilitating “side effects” of the injections. Kinston shows that vaccine makers gave a list to the FDA of “side effects” or “possible adverse event outcomes” from the injections. Kinston says, “Common side effects should be muscle aches, headaches, fever and pain. With these injections, common side effects are Guillain-Barre, . . . inflammation of your brain and your spinal cord, meningitis, stroke, narcolepsy, anaphylaxis, heart attack, myocarditis, pericarditis, auto immune disease, death, pregnancy and birth outcomes, fetal injuries, fetal mutations, spontaneous abortion. . . and vaccine enhanced disease. . . . So, they knew this was not mild side effects.

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Mel Riser's avatar

December 1st is here and the sanctions on Russian Oil starts the bite.

Millions of barrels of crude are going “off market” and there will be shortages of unsanctioned oil.

So price hikes are inevitable.

Couple that with the massive cooling going on from stratospheric volcanic ash, 2023 is going to be a very difficult year.

By 2024 the full extent of the damage and food shortages will be global.

Ukraine supplies 40% of the third worlds food supply and most of that will not be planted.

Given the weather in the south is now way cooler and even cold, don’t expect a lot of production there either.

If Colorado doesn’t get enough snow, expect lake mead to drop so low by July of 2023 that the intakes to the turbines will start sucking air, causing cavitation and shutdown.

Would not want to be in the SW USA next summer and fall.

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John Day MD's avatar

Thanks Mel,

LA, Las Vegas and Phoenix will be mostly-out of water, with no plan-B, won't they?

I don't know what's going on with the oil, but it looks like widespread-cheating is the agreed plan. We'll see...

How much volcanic ash do you figure? Mauna Loa is not making that much , is she?

It looks like Ukrainian grain was owned by Monsanto and Cargill, and went to the EU.

OOPS!

Some of those areas of ownership may fall under different laws next year, Russian laws which do not allow GMOs. The foreign-ownership may also be disallowed. The Russians are pretty particular about their farming regulations.

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Mel Riser's avatar

I just watched an extensive scientific analysis of the hunga tunga event.

It went higher and more than Krakatoa.

It’s the largest ash injection since we have been tracking.

That’s why it’s supposed to be spring and summer coming and it’s still snowing I. Argentina and Australia.

They may not have much summer.

This is the largest ash I he ruin in known history.

We have ice cores from past events but those also caused ice age.

We may be at the tipping point.

Remember what also comes with polar excursions and pole shifts is cataclysms worldwide, massive famine and failure of government.

Better be ready for 2023

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Mel Riser's avatar

Sorry for the typos. Can you correct on this platform ( edit?)

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John Day MD's avatar

The 3 little dots give an EDIT option when clicked.

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John Day MD's avatar

Thanks Mel,

I looked up the Wikipedia on the January 2022 Hunga-Tonga eruption and tsunami.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Hunga_Tonga%E2%80%93Hunga_Ha%27apai_eruption_and_tsunami

You probably have a better source, but I just had no idea how big this event was.

I'll put up whatever you have on hand with the best information.

Sorry to have been so clueless.

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Ray Horvath, "The Source" :)'s avatar

As far as I can see, the circus is based on the assumption that Malone invented mRNA, which is false. The technology was developed in the Soviet Union by 1981, but nobody dared to use it in public, because it would start a chain reaction that could not be controlled:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/mrna

Thank you for reporting this new chapter from the diversion-theater.

mRNA is now used as a red herring that diverts people's attention from the fact that they are slowly being exterminated:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/how-do-the-perpetrators-protect-themselves

Evil is expanding and seems unstoppable:

https://rayhorvaththesource.substack.com/p/the-invasion-of-the-infernal-towers

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JustANobody's avatar

I think these folks are losing their minds! Malone should work on a way to reverse the damage from these injectables!

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John Day MD's avatar

I think a lot of people have been under unremitting stress from personal and professional attacks. I got fired and sidelined, then pretty much ignored, so I am under less stress from ongoing attacks than doctors Malone, McCullough, Kory, and Marik.

I don't think Dr. Malone has worked in mRNA gene therapies for over 20 years.

I'm not sure how much "vaccine" damage can ever be reversed. People need to stop getting shots, eat fresh vegetables and keep their vitamin-D levels in the mid to upper normal range, as I see it.

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JustANobody's avatar

I agree. I guess I'm just saying we are beating the same drum, need to stop the assaults we all face sooner than later! I Apprecite you and your writings!

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Mary Ballon's avatar

"Obviously, there are forms of coercion in our world, and those who are experts in their use." John I am not sure what you mean with this sentence.

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John Day MD's avatar

CIA for instance... Other alphabet-soup agencies.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confessions_of_an_Economic_Hit_Man

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Mary Ballon's avatar

It sounded as though you were inferring that either Malone or Breggin was using the court case as a form of coercion.!

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John Day MD's avatar

I don't think Robert Malone can be happy about how things are going now in his life.

What he is doing works against his credibility more than what anybody else says, right?

Sorry to have been so vague.

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John Day MD's avatar

I think that the experiments on humans with whatever is put in batches of "vaccine vials" needs to be kept secret from the unwitting human participants, who would just spoil the experiments.

It seems like there is a move to reduce human populations across the world in as un-suspicious a way as possible, so as to maintain a functioning economic system.

That's just what I draw from what is going on. It seems to be the simplest explanation so far.

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John Day MD's avatar

Lots to consider. Avoid poison. Grow vegetables. Think about fuel and water needs.

It's interesting that the "vaccine" nano-structures quit self assembling when shielded from radio-frequency energy.

Background-EMF powers those buggers. A Faraday shield (Burqa-coverage-tinfoil-hat) prevents them from self-constructing. I presume they would thrive in 5G environments.

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