Star Seeds, I spent about 4 hours yesterday afternoon carefully reading and considering this extensively researched and annotated hypothesis by The Ethical Skeptic. He observes that the amount of oceanic heating taking place is more than the atmospheric heating, and his physics-based thermal analysis indicates that it is not physically possible that the air heated the oceans that much. Additionally, the oceans have hot spots at the deepest trenches, volcanic trenches, and flows of hot water through the cold depths, to the surface, conveying heat to the surface, and speeding up the thermohaline flows, like the Gulf stream. Additionally, a couple of these hot spots, deep heat transfer areas, are under polar ice sheets, and cause local melting from the bottom of the ice, which has been hard to explain.
As a result, I have subscribed to Meryl's page (she is reading pretty much what I'm reading, so I expect her pieces to be compatible with mine).
Might want to add that Hungary receives half of its energy from Russia. Well, the other half is a nuclear plant that is also Russian-built and maintained, so that makes it 100 percent. :)
People sing songs about the way Hungary's leadership is "standing up against the EU," but the truth is that even those on the top don't want to be without heat and electricity. :)
Interesting, Dr John. Cliff High did a podcast recently about the earth expanding (a contrary theory vs tectonic continental shifts). He said there’s a huge trench off the coast of Oregon that is spewing warm fresh water. Not sure about any of this but it’s fascinating.
The ocean warming via underwater volcanoes was being propounded for many years by the late owner of the site www.iceagenow.info . Whilst I didn't agree with everything he said, I did agree that this was a potential basis for ocean warming and asked the pertinent question: 'Is anyone in the world of science actually trying to find out how many underwater volcanoes there are?'
It's really very important that people start to grasp the complexity of the simple question: 'what is the earth's temperature?'
Do you measure the mesosphere, the troposphere, the stratosphere?
Do you measure land-based surface temperatures?
Do you measure ocean surface temperatures?
Do you measure the temperature of the oceans from top to bottom?
Do you try and get a handle of the temperature of the inner core of the earth??
When you realise that all these components can interact with each other, exchange energy with each other, not to mention the fact that the incoming solar radiation can also affect the total heat in several of these components, you start to realise the complexity.
If you then try to say that a single 'earth temperature' measurement has contributions from all those phases, you then have to decide what fraction you assign to each component and why.
All in all, drawing correct scientific conclusions from an approach is going to require a lot of rigour and possibly an ability to say: 'this is actually impossible'.
I haven't even gotten into whether you should measure temperature using satellites, using balloons, using thermometers (and if those, what kinds).
It's a hugely complex topic that the alarmists try to reduce to simplicity for reasons most of us are more than aware of.....
I am a simple analyst John and observe that the UK Met Office can't get a 5-day forecast right let alone decades ahead, even given all their super-computers to boot. So, my simple logic says BS and I go on to grow my garden.
In my book the 'experts' are exactly that: "An Ex is a 'has-been', and a spurt, is a drip under pressure. Go figure. :-D
The earth expanding, getting fatter and our minds shrinking and meanwhile you’re gathering some dietary bioweapons in your warehouse, thanks John for your info.
Thank you for your article.
As a result, I have subscribed to Meryl's page (she is reading pretty much what I'm reading, so I expect her pieces to be compatible with mine).
Might want to add that Hungary receives half of its energy from Russia. Well, the other half is a nuclear plant that is also Russian-built and maintained, so that makes it 100 percent. :)
People sing songs about the way Hungary's leadership is "standing up against the EU," but the truth is that even those on the top don't want to be without heat and electricity. :)
Interesting, Dr John. Cliff High did a podcast recently about the earth expanding (a contrary theory vs tectonic continental shifts). He said there’s a huge trench off the coast of Oregon that is spewing warm fresh water. Not sure about any of this but it’s fascinating.
The ocean warming via underwater volcanoes was being propounded for many years by the late owner of the site www.iceagenow.info . Whilst I didn't agree with everything he said, I did agree that this was a potential basis for ocean warming and asked the pertinent question: 'Is anyone in the world of science actually trying to find out how many underwater volcanoes there are?'
It's really very important that people start to grasp the complexity of the simple question: 'what is the earth's temperature?'
Do you measure the mesosphere, the troposphere, the stratosphere?
Do you measure land-based surface temperatures?
Do you measure ocean surface temperatures?
Do you measure the temperature of the oceans from top to bottom?
Do you try and get a handle of the temperature of the inner core of the earth??
When you realise that all these components can interact with each other, exchange energy with each other, not to mention the fact that the incoming solar radiation can also affect the total heat in several of these components, you start to realise the complexity.
If you then try to say that a single 'earth temperature' measurement has contributions from all those phases, you then have to decide what fraction you assign to each component and why.
All in all, drawing correct scientific conclusions from an approach is going to require a lot of rigour and possibly an ability to say: 'this is actually impossible'.
I haven't even gotten into whether you should measure temperature using satellites, using balloons, using thermometers (and if those, what kinds).
It's a hugely complex topic that the alarmists try to reduce to simplicity for reasons most of us are more than aware of.....
I am a simple analyst John and observe that the UK Met Office can't get a 5-day forecast right let alone decades ahead, even given all their super-computers to boot. So, my simple logic says BS and I go on to grow my garden.
In my book the 'experts' are exactly that: "An Ex is a 'has-been', and a spurt, is a drip under pressure. Go figure. :-D
more perspective on ocean floor and below effects on "climate change" far exceeding human effects
Ian Plimer, a Geologist's View of Climate Change at Heartland Institute Climate Conference, 2023
youtube.com/watch?v=tK4LNIvlcCY
Thanks Dr. John!
The earth expanding, getting fatter and our minds shrinking and meanwhile you’re gathering some dietary bioweapons in your warehouse, thanks John for your info.
High John just letting you know I read each blog post but do it from my mail app so rarely comment. Great round up and analysis brother.