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I know: Dugin's daughter was murdered. Speech has its price. Nothing like killing someone just cuz they've been conscripted and maybe even believe in their country (Ukrainian Lives Matter). Becoming a murderer is the ultimate curse.

We call them heroes, and tickertape parades help a bit.

But what we should really say to any soldier, Nato, Ukrainian, Russian, Wagner mercs, is: "I'm sorry we did this to you." Not that I believe that we are ever politically capable of preventing our tribe, clan, city-state, kingdom, nation, or empire from fomenting wars and shoving younguns into a sausage machine that encases your best buddy's guts in departed soul casing, but I do believe that "We're sorry. How can we help the hurt?" is appropriate.

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I'm all for convicts redeeming their sense of self a la The Dirty Dozen, but I think Putin/whoever is wise to stop arms flow to the Wagner Group as the operation winds down.

Also, the moralist in me wants to make one thing very clear: war is in no way a meritocracy. War takes decent men, makes them violently insane, then sends them back home to add to homeland insanity and violence. War takes men who are already disposed toward violent insanity (hardened criminals) and makes heroes of them.

"Got in a little home town jam..."

Born in the USSR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDCP8m78FhQ

LIke any returning vet will tell you/us if you/we get to acting like you/we know something about war, especially what's martially "right and wrong": "You don't know what you're talking about."

We can't stop our nation from constant incessant war. I doubt non-USNATO folks want to hear what we think about the bravery or competence of this or that soldier/division/leader. I wonder how much Russians want to hear from Dugin these days. (I like him, but he's just.a.philosopher. No skin in the game.)

Yeah, if I were Putin I'd steadily defang Wagner and watch. If they go hunting elsewhere for weapons outside the Russian protective sphere, I'd revoke their authorization and demand full and immediate surrender to the Russians, not as POWs but as (oh what are we calling them?) 'brave soldiers who've earned a nice Russian retirement'.

Wagner is impressive but so are rogue elephants.

War is most of all not about justice or anything remotely related.

It's about winning some kind of political condition by murdering enough of the other guys and destroying enough of their materiel that they have to stop unless they really want to run their bodies through a military blender.

So let's have something completely different:

https://youtu.be/4lhKfWs612o

:)

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